Interview with Tiago: Quiet heart

Since early childhood she has been drawn to try and help those who are suffering. So she did an education work with handicapped, mentally retarded and autistic people. Explored various techniques such Gestalt therapy, Bioenergetics, Body-reading, Holotropic Breath work, Jungian dream and theater art. Also Tiago did some works on Bali. It all inspired Tiago but still she felt something was missing. So the search continued and eventually brought Tiago to meet the teacher Energy Master Michael Barnett in 1984.

Tiago is Energy Master, leads seminars and also does an individual sessions traveling to Holland, Austria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Russia and Ukraine (has been coming to Ukraine for more 20 years often at least 3 times a year).

Tiago, your work is totally connected with people. Tell some words about your trainings, please. What is its useful? And what does that mean for you?

For me working and sharing with people are my greatest joy and the most important in life. I started as very young trying to help people. Today it is different for me. It is just what I do (actually it does not feel as a choice any longer) sharing and connecting with people, traveling this Path together, participating together in a process of discovery and evolution – both for them and me.

The work in the seminars takes many different forms. A lot is based on Michael Barnetts work. He has given us many meditations and structures which bring people many deep and profound experiences. And gently bringing us out of a feeling of being separate from life into Oneness with everything. That’s the most important. On top also his Energy work brings many very practical tools which people can apply and use in their daily lives. In our relationship to ourselves, in the family, with partners, work and so on. And also gives you a lot of practical tools you can apply for yourself in your daily life in any situation.


TOO MUCH SERIOUSNESS IS A TENSION IN THE WHOLE SYSTEM, AN OBSTACLE, A RIGIDITY. LIGHTHEARTEDNESS IS GENTLE, SOFT AND FLOWING. TO BE ABLE TO LAUGH ABOUT YOURSELF IS GREAT.

Of course over a lifetime I have developed my own personal unique style. I would say my work is very creative and unpredictable. I simply tune into the people presence, have no plans or ideas….and then out of the moment and the energy there from everybody the work gets born. Sometimes also very surprising for myself!

Did I understand correct that all meditations that you give are Michael Barnett’s meditations?

Most of the work I share are directly from Michael Barnett. It’s so to speak the backbone of the work. But also I find inspiration from many other sources and teachers. One of my favorites is Chogyam Trungpa, whom I have never met, but his books really speak strongly to me.

Question is connected with self realization of people. What helps us to realize our humans being nature, to answer „Who are we in fact?“

One could say that life itself, the Universe itself helps us to, during a lifetime, to realize who we really are. We are all born with a vast potential of possibilities but as it goes, slowly most of us shrinks and gets into certain patterns to fit into the structures around us. We start to develop our own inner structures, often out of fear and fear of losing love. So we compromise our true nature even to the extent that we totally forget who we are and start to live from these structures, from our mind and ideas, not anymore alive, fresh and spontaneous each moment.

But as I said, the Universe itself constantly gives us possibilities and challenges, but of course, it all depends how we welcome those happenings. Are we open to ask ourselves? Are we courageous enough to not step back, but take just one small step forward each time? Do we dare to let go of control and stand naked and vulnerable? Are we ready to say I don’t know? One has to start to EXPLORE and DISCOVER for ONESELF. You have to find out what works for YOU. Everybody’s journey is unique. Whenever you explore, whenever you simply see something, it ALREADY CHANGES. Just by seeing and staying with it. And you have to start just where you are! Right here and now.


EVERYBODY CAN BENEFIT FROM THE WORK. IT ONLY REQUIRES TO BE OPEN. BOTH FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO ENRICH THEIR LIVES OR PEOPLE WHO GOES FOR DEEP TRANSFORMATION.

Let’s say you feel fear. Don’t start to ask how to get rid of the fear. If you instead explore WHEN you feel fear. What is this? How does it feel in my body? How does it taste? What thoughts do arise?

And you hear about love-love as a state of being. Have you explored to find that space in YOU? What if it exists? Where does it exist? How to be in that space? Finding what does not move you towards that space and what does? That’s the golden opportunity you are been given each moment.

Just staying with it – gently watching with your soft awareness you will not only find out about fear or love. You will find out about many other things. To quote Michael: Everybody that’s born represents an opportunity to go beyond our limited values. Everyone of us has that responsibility to make the voyage of discovery – not just out of curiosity, out of interest, out of achieving something – but as a responsibility to the world, to our children, to our grandchildren, to the human race, to the planet and to life, to God and to ourselves.


ALL OF US EXPERIENCE OBSTACLES AS PART OF OUR JOURNEY, IN LIFE AND IN OUR SPIRITUAL PATH. IN MANY CASES, WE THINK OF THEM AS PURELY SOMETHING UNPLEASANT TO OVERCOME, OR A MISTAKE THAT NEEDS CORRECTING. TRUGPA SAYS THAT UNEXPECTED CHAOS. CONFUSION AND EMOTIONAL UPHEAVALS CAN BE USED AS FUEL FOR THE JOURNEY – AN ENERGY THAT CAN TRANSFORM CONFUSION INTO SANITY AND WISDOM. WHAT MICHAEL CALLS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY I FIND THAT SO TRUE! AND IT’S REALLY SUCH A POTENTIAL. EVERYTHING IS IN OUR HANDS.

And to bring all one’s energy to this voyage of discovery absolutely and totally, because as I see it, it’s really the only contribution we can bring to human survival that we can be sure about. When something starts resonating in you, then you start looking, a new dimension begins to move and suddenly you feel connected with what we call Oneness. You fall silent, you look, you taste, you wonder. Why is it important to make a decision by Heart? And what for You Life following Heart means?

Can’t say it is important to make decisions from the heart… As a principle. Principles come from the mind. Sometimes you might make decisions from your belly. As you work on yourself you get deeper and deeper into your being, your source. And as you fall more and more into Oneness, your true response to life in any given situation is bound to be loving. Not as a principle but simply so. Let me quote a poem from Michael.


THE QUIET HEART |
ALL SEEK IT, THIS QUIETNESS. |
IT IS OUTSIDE YOU |
IT IS YOU. |
IT IS BALANCE. |
IT IS YOU IN YOUR PROPER PLACE, |
AS YOU ONCE WERE, |
AS REST IN THE ONE OCEAN. |
IT IS YOU LAUGHING, |
AS THE RIGHTNESS OF THINGS. |
IT IS THE REVELATION |
THAT WE BELONG |
TO ALL CREATION. |
IT IS OUR RETURN |
TO OUR ORIGIN. |
IT IS OUR DYING |
INTO GOD. |
OUR REST |
IS HIS REST |
THAT IS THE QUIET HEART.
Michael Barnett

What is the first thing that is important in relations between people?

To realize that “Others” are also you. You are a part of each other and the others is part of you (Maybe as you tasted looking into the eyes of your partner in the seminar?) Then there is really nobody to fight! To be as true and honest to yourself as you can.

Is it important to have a Teacher, a Master in our life? Or there are people who can have spiritual developing without Teacher? What did help You to choose a Teacher?

If you are a true seeker, then in my eyes absolutely yes. And an alive teacher who can challenge all your blind spots which you can’t see yourself or avoiding to see! I am sure that a few people have experiences so strong that it transforms them.

For me meeting Michael Barnett was not a question of choice. It feels more like destiny. It was bound to happen. It is also said that when you are ready for a teacher she or he finds you. For me it is even beyond that. Destiny…